Mamta Jha: In several of your answers you state that Vedas say this and this, and if someone’s queries are not matching Vedas that means that it is not true and doesn’t exist. Please explain.
Swami Ram Swarup: In fact, the eternal knowledge of the Vedas emanates direct from God at the beginning of the non-sexual creation as under:
Vedas’ Philosophy
Mamta Jha: In several of your answers you state that Vedas say this and this, and if someone’s queries are not matching Vedas that means that it is not true and doesn’t exist. Please explain.
Swami Ram Swarup: In fact, the eternal knowledge of the Vedas emanates direct from God at the beginning of the non-sexual creation as under:
Vedas’ Philosophy
God has made universe and blessed us human body to do pious deeds only. He has not made any heaven or hell. All have to face the result of their deeds, good or bad here only, even by taking rebirth. (Rigveda mantra 10/135/1,2)
God has not only made universe but has also given knowledge of four Vedas where answers to your and everyone’s questions have been given. There are four Vedas:
1.Rig Veda – gives knowledge of science, matter of the universe like sun, moon, air body etc., etc.
2.Yajurveda – gives knowledge of all the deeds and duties to be performed by men or women, students, leaders, king, agriculturist etc., etc., etc.
3. Samveda – gives knowledge how to worship God who gives peace and long happy life etc. In this way, details of Yoga philosophy, qualities, supreme deeds and nature of the God are also given.
4. Atharvaveda – gives details of God, medical science and details of medicine, etc.
Actually in four Vedas there is unlimited knowledge. Yajurveda mantra 40/8 says that God is everywhere, is Almighty, formless, devoid of nervous system, purest, away from sins and away to face any result of any karmas (deeds), knows every soul, knows what is in everyone’s mind, no body has made God, but God creates universe, has given the eternal knowledge of four Vedas and always gives the said knowledge at the beginning of every universe to know the science and deeds to all concern. Similarly four Vedas say about God that God is an omnipresent, omniscient, formless, beyond imagination and beyond calculation. Actually God has unlimited qualities. There is only one God who creates, nurses, destroys the universe and again
creates. Atharvaveda mantra 4/1/1 also says that God gives the knowledge of Vedas at the beginning of the earth to four Rishis of unsexual creation. And thereafter only public listens Vedas through Rishis Munis as yet and become learned. Rig-Veda gives knowledge of Almighty, Yajurveda gives knowledge of karmas (deeds), Samveda tells about worship-Yoga philosophy and Atharvaveda about medicines and God. Actually all Vedas commonly says about God also, so this is about Vedas in short. But the knowledge of Vedas is endless.
It is a fundamental law that knowledge is always given by somebody otherwise knowledge can’t be gained at any cost. If a new born baby is nursed well in a dense jungle and is not educated then he will not be able to gain any knowledge. So we have to think about the origin of the knowledge prevalent in the world today. In this connection all Vedas themselves say that God gives this knowledge to four Rishis. As has also been said by Rishi Patanjali in yoga shastra sutra 1/26, God is first Guru of the four Rishis. Yajurveda mantra 31/7 also refers. This is all in short about Vedas.
The Vedas are not a book, rather it is a knowledge originated in the heart of Rishis. At the time of beginning of the earth those Rishis preached Vedas by mouth and all others remembered the same by mouth at that time there was no pen, pencil, paper, etc. This process of studying Vedas by mouth remained till Mahabharata time. Muni Vyas too remembered Vedas traditionally by mouth. Then Muni Vyas first time wrote the Vedas on Bhoj patra about 5300 years ago. In 16th century when printing press came into existence then the Vedas were printed. Still Vedas are not those which have been printed but Vedas are those which are preached by mouth by an Acharya/yogi and the printed Vedas are called Sanhita.
Now if somebody worships a statue etc., i.e., its their own creation please but Vedas deny. According to Vedas the best worship of the God is Yajyen (Yajna) for which all Vedas are self-proof. Yajurveda mantra 31/16 says that the learned persons worship God by Yajyen.
So many people have asked me that most of the scholars/preachers of different religion state that their religion incorporates all matters of the world including science. What about Vedas? I wrote so many Ved Mantras describing science matters therein. For example, Yajurvaveda Mantra 3/6 states “Ayam Gauhu Swaha Pitram Puraha Prayan Mataram Prishnihi Aakrameet Asadat”.
Meaning= This earth revolves around the Sun in the space and it also rotates on its own axis. Vedas are eternal like God because Vedas emanate from God. Now, according to Vedas, this present creation is about 1 Arab, 96 crores, 8 lakh and about 53,000 years old. So are the Vedas but as said in Rigveda Mantra 10/191/3 the present creation is same as was the previous one and this process of creation is eternal. So are the Vedas which emanate from eternal God. This all concludes that Vedas are the oldest in this creation also and no other book of science, maths or pertaining to spiritualism is written before Vedas.
Like the above example of rotation and revolution of earth, the significance of whole present science is mentioned in Vedas. We can see that whatever is happening in the universe, is all according to the Vedas. For example, occurance of six seasons, actions of Sun, moon, process of death, birth, worship, yoga philosophy, atomic energy, agriculture, animal husbandry, knowledge of politics, administration, architecture, solar energy, knowledge of home appliances like mixer, grinder, business rules, about men, women, children, marriage, Brahamcharya, education, clothes etc., etc., i.e., knowledge right from a straw to Brahma is all in Vedas. God is Almighty and has unlimited powers. So through His power He is able to originate the knowledge of Vedas in the heart of four Rishis without pencil, paper, help of mouth or any other worldly assistance.
We, i.e., the whole world depends on Almighty God but God is forever independent. That is why, He is God. We are the souls who reside in human bodies. We need assistance of senses, perceptions, mind and body to do deeds but not God.
Nowadays, so many saints are writing books. What is the background to right their books? Background is clear that they have first studied or listened the preach from their Gurus, keeping aside the matter of truth or falsehood. And after studying or listening the same, they became able to write the books. So this is also fundamental law, based on which, the ancient Rishis first listened Vedas and when they became learned then only they wrote the Vedic books like Valmikee Ramayana, six shastras, Mahabharata (Bhagwad Geeta), Upanishads, etc., etc. So, first the knowledge of Vedas is initiated in the universe and afterwards other books come into existence.
Somebody may say that human beings have knowledge by their nature to create anything like books etc., but we see that the newly born baby who is nursed in a jungle, in the absence of knowledge of a learned person, he becomes incapable to do anything. Thus, he can’t be M.A, M.Sc, doctor etc. So there are two types of the words and meanings. First, eternal which are from Almighty God and second, natural made by human beings. Eternal word meanings are always from Vedas i.e., from God. After listening/studying Vedas, human-beings become learned and then too based on their own natural knowledge, they make their own words and meanings, literature etc. But it is very much clear that in the absence of knowledge of Vedas, no one can become learned. Nowadays, also people live in dense jungle and do not lead a civilized life because they are not learned as cited above. Vedas are not sects because they emanate direct from God and God is one for all human beings. God creates sun, moon, air, water, food etc., which are meant for the best use of all human-beings for their long, happy life. So are the Vedas.
So all human beings must accept Vedas as an eternal knowledge from God, for the benefit of whole creation.
Creation
God has very beautifully described about His process of creation in Mandal 10, Sukta 129 of Rigveda which may be discussed as under:
“NASADAASEENNO SADAASEETTADAANEEM NASEEDRAJO
NO VYOMA PARO YAT,
KIMAVAREEVAHA KUH KASYA SHARMANNAMBHAHA
KIMASEEDGAHANAM GABHEERAM”
(Rigveda Mantra 10/129/1)
(TADAANEEM) Before the creation, when there was period of final destruction (ASAT) emptiness [zero] (NA) not (AASEET) exist i.e., it was the period of final destruction, therefore all the prakriti made matters of the world like sun, water, living beings, bodies etc., were destroyed but here the Ved mantra states that it was not so that there was nothing/ the situation like zero, emptiness existed there. No, situation of emptiness was not there.
(SAT) visible matters (NA) not (AASEET) was i.e., during that time there were no visible matters present i.e., neither emptiness nor visible matters were there during the time of final destruction. (RAJAHA) space (NA) not (AASEET) was there i.e., the space [sky etc.], matters were not there.
(PARAHA VYOM) geographical space i.e., sky (Uu) also (NA) did not exist i.e., the space geographically enveloping the earth was not also there.(KIM) what/how (AVAREEVAHA) covering matter to cover any matter could be there i.e., such cover was also not there.
For example: A soul will be visible when any body will be provided by God to him. Body is like a cover therefore such cover was also not there.
(KUH) where (KASYA) whose (SHARMAN) to give pleasure i.e., then where and for what there could be any place to get pleasure. (GAHANAM) deep (GABHEER) effective for all concerned (AMBHA) water (KIM) how (AASEET) did exist, i.e., then how could there exist deep and effective water? i.e., water was also not there. Effective water means all living beings need water to survive and even to grow crops etc. Therefore water effects all living beings.
In the next mantra 2, it is stated
“NA MRITYURASEEDAMRITAM NA TARHI NA RATRYA AHNA
ASEETPRAKETAHA,
AANEEDVAATAM SVADHYA TADEKAM TASMADDHANYANNA PARAHA KIM CHANAASA.”
(Rigveda Mantra 10/129/2)
(MRITYUHU) death (NA) not (AASEET) exist i.e., during that period of final destruction, death did not exist. (TARHI) therefore at that time (AMRITAM) salvation (NA) not i.e., salvation was also not there.
Idea is that when death was not there, it means birth was not there and therefore human-being was neither taking birth nor dying then who would try to get knowledge and from where to get salvation. Therefore, salvation was also not there. (RATRYAHA) night (AHNAHA) day (PRAKETAHA) knowledge (NA) not (AASEET) exist. The knowledge of day and night, like the previous creation which was subjected to final destruction, was not there. (TAT) then (EKAM) one matter alone. (AVAATAM) did not require air to survive. (SWADHYA) existed independently (AANEET) alive matter did exist.
Idea is at that time, when there was nothing, then an alive matter who did not require air or food to survive, did exist independently and he was Almighty God alone.
Again Mantra states:
(TASMAAT) apart from Him (ANYAT) no other (KIM-CHANA) nothing (PARAHA NA AASA) was there.
Idea: Apart from Almighty God, there was nothing. The idea of next mantra 3 is (ABHOO AASEET) that there was invisible, non-alive prakriti named “ABHOO” from which non-alive universe was created. God (TAT MAHINA) from the prakriti made Mahat Tatva i.e., mind and then the process of whole creation began.
The above views have been well written by Learned Matterlic in his book “The Great Secret.” He states:
“Let us once give ear to Rig-Veda, the most authentic echo of the most immortal traditions, let us note how it appreciates the formidable problem.
“There was neither Being nor non-Being. There was neither atmosphere nor heavens above the atmosphere. What moved, and whither? And in whose care? Were there waters and the bottomless deep?”
“There was then neither death nor immortality. The day was not divided from the night. Only one breathed in Himself without extraneous breath and apart from Him, there was nothing.”
“There for the first time desire awoke within Him, this was the first seed of the spirit. The sages, full of understanding, striving within their hearts, discovered in non-Being the link with Being.” (Rig Veda 10.129.1, 2, 4)
It is a basic principle that knowledge is attained when the same is given by somebody. Based on the said eternal law, the knowledge of four Vedas emanates direct from God and is originated in the heart of four Rishis, as stated in Rigveda mantra 10/81/1, 2. That is why, Rishi Patanjali quoted his experience regarding the same vide Yog Shastra Sukta 1/26 stating “SAHA EESHEY POORVE SHAM API GURUHU KALENANVACHCHEDAT” (SAHA EESHAHA) the God (API) is also (GURUHU) Guru (POORVESHAM) of our ancient Rishis because the God (KALENANVACHCHEDAT) is always free from the binding of death. So when all public including Rishi, Munis, gurus etc., are dead at the time of final destruction of previous universe then, only Almighty, immortal God remains. Who at the time of another creation gives the knowledge of four Vedas to the Rishis as quoted in Rigveda mantra above.
Thereafter, the rishis preach others and traditionally the knowledge of Vedas is being received till today by acharyas, who are learned of Vedas. Thus, the rishis obtained the knowledge and they wrote Upnishads, shastras, smritis, etc., totally based on true Vedic knowledge.
So it must be cleared that if Almighty God had not given us the knowledge of Vedas wherein all matters of science, deeds and worship have been briefed then we would have been ignorant like the wild mountainous tribes thriving in dense jungles and are uncivilised. No one could be a learned Rishi, gentleman, scientist, family holder, artist, educated persons etc., as all the said knowledge has been taken from the Vedas. Similarly no one could write Upnishads shastras, Mahabharat, Valmiki Ramayan and other holy books.
So based on the above eternal theory of attaining the knowledge, the upnishads were written by the Rishis. Rishi Aiteeryo in his Aiteeryopnishad based on the above knowledge of Yajurveda Mantra and Rigveda Mandal10, Sukta 129 writes about the first creation of holy cow as under:
So based on knowledge of Rigveda mandal 10, Sukta 129, Rishi states in his Aiteeryopnishad shloka 1/1:
“ATMA VA IDMEK EVAGRA AASEENNANYATKINCHAN
MISHAT SA EEKSHAT LOKANNU SRIJA ITI.”
(ATMA VAI) the Lord of universe, Almighty God (AASEET) was (AGRE) present first alone i.e., Almighty God was present alone before the creation which was to be created after the final destruction of previous universe.
(NA) no (ANYAT) other (KINCHAN) anything (MISHAT) souls having bodies i.e., there was nothing not even souls having bodies except Almighty God [though, here it should be noted that souls without bodies and prakriti in its original form, when it does not create universe like sun, moon, air etc., get shelter within God. Both souls and prakriti, in this form, are invisible and are in the minutest form i.e., even smallest than a minute atom.]
(SAHA) the God (EEKSHAT) thought [though God has no mind and never thinks but symbolically it is said, He thought to create. That is why, the word ‘EEKSHANN’ has been used by Rishi Aiteeryo.]
(NU) sure (SRIJAYEE) to create (LOKAN) lokas i.e., earth, space, celestial bodies emitting light, living bodies etc (ITI) He thought like this ( Rishi has written similar views as are of Rigveda Mandal 10, Sukta 129, Mantra 1.)
Let us consider the word ‘EEKSHAT’. As said in Yajurveda Mantra 40/8 God is formless, so He has no senses, perceptions and mind and therefore, can not think. However, being Almighty, He does all His divine deeds of the universe without body, senses, perceptions and mind etc.
Then Upnishad states that the God created sun, celestial bodies emitting light, earth, space etc. Then again God thought that who will take care of my creation in the form of Lokas? Then He created three lokas.
Then after creating food grains, forests, water etc., and as stated in Shloka 1 / 4 the God created cow first as under:
Fire, air, sun, directions, vegetation, moon, death and water i.e., eight lokpals were created. Here, symbolically, in Shloka 1/2/1 the eight lokpals said to the God to create the residence where they could live. Then the Almighty God first of all created holy cow, then horse and then the body of human-beings.
Shloka 1/2/2 and 3 state:
(TABHYAHA) for the eight lokpals (AANYAT) made and brought (GAAM) cow (ASHWAM) horses and (PURUSHAM AANYAT) made and brought.
Idea: The God made and brought first cow, then horse and thereafter human-beings. Though the human body is stated as the best creation of God wherein above eight matters live yet the cow is first creation of God and will ever remain first creation, after final destruction, in every new creation. Secondly, cow is a requirement of all human-beings to live upon. In the beginning of creation when there were no parents etc., then non-sexual, young creation is made vide Sukta 129 of Rigveda mandal 10 and other Ved mantras.
It must be clear that universal laws are always unchangeable. So it is not possible that human beings previously were monkeys and thereafter the tail vanished away etc. As stated in Rigveda mantra 10/190/3, that the process of creation in each universe remains the same for example sun, moon, air ,water,human body etc ., made in the previous universe are the same in this creation of universe as well. So men, women were never made in the shape of monkey etc.
The creation is eternal and automatic. There is no date of creation of the following:
(A) Almighty God who is alive, immortal, formless, creates, nurses and destroys the universe. He never indulges in any maya, mahamaya, illusion and deeds (good or bad. Yajurveda Mantra 40/8 and Yog shastra Sutra 1/26 also refer)
(B) Soul: Soul is alive, the purest, away from sins etc. but illusion covers the soul due to which soul forgets his original form and hence remains in sorrows, problems etc.
C) Prakriti: Non-alive and has three qualities. i.e., Raj, tam, Satva. At a proper time, the power of God acts in prakriti and the universe is created. So the creation is eternal and automatic.
Raj, Tam and Satva are the three qualities of prakriti. When the said gunnas remain idle dormant i.e., do not work, then combination of these three gunnas(qualities) in dormant stage is called prakriti and this time is called “final destruction” of the universe. When an appropriate time comes, the creation is to be started again. Then the power of God works in the above three gunnas i.e., in the prakriti and immediately the creation starts. Rajo gunn is a sign of sensuousness etc., Tamo gunn signifies laziness and sato gunn signifies ego, pride. Our human body is also made of the said three gunnas.
Vedas tell that there are three eternal/immortal matters- first: Almighty God, second: souls, third: prakriti. Almighty God creates, nurses and destroys the universe and again creates it. The said process of creation is eternal/immortal/everlasting. Almighty God creates the universe from prakriti. When the raj, tam and satva gunnas of prakriti remain idle (dormant condition/inactive) then creation does not take place. At an appropriate time, a power of Almighty God acts in prakriti (i.e., in Raj, tam and satva gunnas). Immediately the process of creation starts and the first matter of prakriti is made which is called –Mahat i.e., mind; from Mahat- ahankar is made, from ahankar panch (5) tan matrayein, from panch (5) tanmatrayein, panch (5) mahabhoot are created. From panch mahabhoot, the entire matter of universe i.e., Sun, Moon air, water , our bodies, bodies of other living beings etc., are created. The whole creation is thus created from prakriti
and remains still (in active) like a statue. This creation is called non-sexual creation. In the said creation, the young human bodies are created which are neither old nor babies. Then by the power of God, in the said bodies, breathing system (prann vaayu) starts operating. At last, God enters into the universe and immediately all the humans and other living beings become alive and start functioning. Similarly, the non-alive matters like Sun, moon, earth, air, water etc., start their respective functions.
Creation, Science, worldly matters etc., is not possible until the same is created by someone. Secondly, knowledge is attained when knowledge is imparted by someone.
Rigveda mantra 10/129/ 1-6 throw light about creation that at that time, there was nothing and no living beings did exist. So there was no learned acharya who could give the knowledge to the newly created living beings like parents who educate the children to make them able to speak language and to know about the matters like crow, animals, chapati, ghee, sun, moon i.e., all matters of the world. See, if a newly born baby is managed to live in dense jungle and nursed well but he is not given education about the worldly matters etc. i.e., mathematics, science, animals, sun, moon etc., then even at the young age of 20-25, 30 years, he will not be able to speak any language and when he will be brought out of the cave of dense jungle and will be asked about the sun, moon, animals, birds before him, then he will not be able to reply because he was not given the said knowledge.
When we see towards sun, moon, air, space, human body etc. It is clearly understood that the said creation has not been made by any human being but Almighty God, from whom the knowledge of four Vedas emanates. In Vedas, the knowledge right from straw to Brahma has been mentioned. So in the beginning of non-sexual earth, the Vedas originated in the heart of four rishis: Agni, Vaayu, Aditya and Angira, and from the rishis the knowledge of science, deeds and worship along with every matter is being given to the public by which the public became educated scientist and wrote books, etc.
In Vedas as well as in fourth chapter of Yog Shastras of Rishi Patanjali, it is mentioned that those who do not believe in God are provided more and more facilities by nature and such people get spoiled, etc.
On the contrary those who worship God, they naturally try to kill their desires and accordingly under the law, nature, help them to follow the true path to realize the God.
It is also pertinent to mention here that in Vedas, there is no mention of avtarwad or any proper noun, please. Vedas do not even contain any story or past, present or future life of anyone. Vedas contain knowledge i.e., entire science, form of deeds/duties and worship of God. Actually Vedas give knowledge right from straw to Brahma (God) of entire universe.
All four Vedas tell to worship a formless, Almighty, omnipresent, omniscient God who creates, nurses and destroys the universe. God was one, is one and shall ever remain one. He is unchangeable, unchallengeable and beyond description. He has unlimited qualities and thus unlimited names but is one. Because He is Almighty and needs no help of anyone to create, nurse and destroy the universe therefore no need to take avtar.
So, Vedas are universally applicable for all human-beings. At that time, present sects were not in existence. However, Vedas are not sects and still applicable to all human-beings and even living beings. But now the people are free to accept the fundamentals of Vedas, the preach of which emanates direct from God. So, do or don’ts used in Vedas are also applicable for all human-beings whether we accept or not, since we are free to do so. Shastras state that the deed which is according to the Vedas is true and against the Vedas is not true. There is no matter/situation which is not mentioned in Vedas. God, is the greatest learned therefore the knowledge of four Vedas emanated directly from Him is fundamentally complete.
