Chitransh: Why the theory of yugs do not match with modern science? Are vedas wrong or modern science?
Swami Ram Swarup: Study of four Vedas reveals that whatever has occurred and is occurring; is occurring according to Vedas. Present science also tallies with Vedic science because present science also emanates from Vedas. However, in Vedas, lot of science still exists to be known. So, Vedas are never wrong because knowledge of Vedas always emanates directly from Almighty God.
Basant: Namaste swami ji, kya gautam buddh ko moksh hua tha? Vo ishwar ko nahi mante the to unki indriya nigrah kaise ho sakta hai ?
Swami Ram Swarup: Namsteji. Gautam Budh ke sambandh mein likhee pustakon ke adhyayan se yahi nirnnaye nikalta hai ki unhonein kathor sadhna kee thee aur apne swarup (jeevatma) kee anubhuti kee thee aur weh mahan purush hue hain.
Basant: Dhongi sanyasi kaun hai kaise jaane ? Kya sanyasi ko kisipar krodh karna chahiye?
Swami Ram Swarup: Sanyasi ko krodh nahin karna chahiye. Sanyasi kee sabhi sansarik ichchayein smapt ho jaanee chahiye. Usey Ved aur Yog sadhna dwara Panch gyan indriyon aur mann par poora control hona chahiye. Aisa hone par hee to sanyasi ke kaam, krodh, mada lobh, ahankaar ye shatru sampat ho jaate hain. Weh jagat ka upkaar karta hai, uskee bhasha mein Oja, Tej, meetha pan hota hai.Is vishye par main apna ek article paste karta hoon-
True Saints
In Shatpath Brahmin Granth 3/7/3/10, written by Yask Muni it is said, “VIDWANS HI DEVAHA” i.e., he who is learned of Vedas, he is called Dev. Yajurveda mantra 40/3 says, “ASURYA NAAM TE LOKAHA ANDHEN TAMSA VRITAHA___”means on taking birth a child is called “Manushya” i.e., mankind. If he learns Vedas, does pious deeds and discharges his moral
duties well, according to Vedas then he becomes Dev. Otherwise Asur i.e., devil (demon) , one who kills the pure voice of soul and does sins. In Van Parv of Mahabharat Yaksh asked question to Yudhisthar, “KAH NASTIKAH” i.e., who is called atheist? Yudhisthar answers, he who is against and insults Vedas he is atheist (Manusmriti 2/11 also refers). So there are two kinds of men/women according to Yajurveda mantra quoted above. One, “DEV” and second “DEVIL”. So our birth is to
become Dev.
Rig-Veda mantra 10/181/1 says that in the beginning of the creation, God always originates the knowledge of four Vedas in the heart of four Rishis, then the said four Rishis spread it further and until now the eternal knowledge of Vedas is being received traditionally. The names of those four Rishis are — Agni, Vaayu, Aditya, Angira, as also mentioned in Rig Veda mantra 10/109/1 and Manusmriti shlok 1/23. This truth is also mentioned in Bhagwad Geeta wherein shlok 3/15 says that
Vedas emanate from Almighty God and in shlok 13/4 Shri Krishna says that the knowledge of soul and body is very well mentioned in four Vedas and the Rishis have described the same by many methods. In Atharvaveda mantra 2/35/1& 4 it is preached that Rishis spread the knowledge of holy Yagya (Yajna) to the people to kill their sorrows and Rishis are those, “MANTRADRISHTA ITI RISHIHI” i.e., those who have studied Vedas and Ashtang Yog practice and then realized Almighty God and seen Ved mantras in their heart, they are called Rishis. So the knowledge of the Vedas, as per Rig-Veda mantras quoted above, is given by God Himself to the Rishis and it is eternal truth and cannot be changed that is why in Yog shastra sutra, Rishi Patanjali says, “SA ESH PURVESAHM API GURUHU”. So, next to God is Rishi.
God did not give the knowledge to the present saints. In Vedas, the name of the learned are mentioned as Rishis, Muni, Vipra, Dwij, Agni, etc., and not saints. To be next to God it is necessary to have full knowledge of Vedas and Ashtang yoga, as per the rules quoted above.
To know that what is true and what is false, proof is required. Yog shastra in sutra 1/7 says about four proofs within which proof of Vedas to determine the truth is compulsory. However, it makes no
difference that if a present saint has learnt four Vedas, done ashtang yoga practice mentioned in Vedas and realized Vedas and God, then he is also next to God. If one declares his name Rishi or Brahamchari and does not know Vedas and yoga philosophy, then he is liar and cheating the public because in Shanti Parv of Mahabharat also Bhisham Pitamaha says to Yudhisthar that there are two kinds of Braham (though God is one). First, “Shabad Braham” i.e., knowledge of four Vedas, second “Par Braham” the realization of formless God Who creates, nurses and destroys the universe. So he who does not know Braham even Shabad Braham – Vedas, then how can he write himself as brahamrishi? Naturally he is cheating the public because most of the public does
not know about Vedas and the arrogant (the saints who are against Vedas) have spread
false knowledge about Vedas, Yajna and yoga philosophy.
That is why, Manusmriti 2/168 says that the saint/Guru/Dwij who does not know Vedas but studies false books, he, in his present life goes downwards i.e., experiences sorrows, sufferings etc, etc., with his followers, i.e., their followers also go down and experience the said difficulties etc., but nowadays it is also spread that God takes examination of a worshipper but such type of examinations have not been mentioned in Vedas. And Ramayana also says about such false
saints – VARAN DHARAM NAHIN ASHRAMCHARI, SHRUTI VIRODH RAT SAB NAR
NARI. Tulsidasji says that at present men and women here have become against the eternal knowledge of Vedas. Again Tulsidasji says in Uttrakand DWIJ SHRUTI BECHAK BHOOP PRAJSAN, KAU NAHIN MAN NIGAM ANUSASAN, i.e., at present mostly the people do not accept the knowledge of Vedas, present saints Gurus have sold the Vedas i.e.,
they do not know the ABCD about the Vedas.
Again in Nirukta 7/3, it is said that he who studies complete knowledge of Vedas and holy books, puts the preachings thereof into action/conduct and there after preaches
others, he is called a Rishi. It is a well-known fact that ancient Rishis used to live in a lonely place/jungle in Gurukuls/Ashram where the students used to get knowledge traditionally, the same process too was adopted by Shri Krishna, Sudama, Shri Ram and their public. It was the effect of Ved mantras on them and the effect of practising Ashtang yoga philosophy, that they used to lead simple way of life without any luxury etc. Whereas nowadays the current saints (against the Vedas)
mostly live in bigger cities where way of earning is obtained. The Rishis used to bless the people according to Ved mantra to be the richest and having all comforts in the family etc., whereas now most of the present saints say that money will do nothing, family will do nothing, house will
do nothing, cars and clothes will do nothing and they themselves take lot of money and enjoy luxuries.
The Rishis were free from illness/tension etc., Shwetashwaropnishad 2/12 and 13 says about this fact. So is it not clear that keeping the fact and proof of Ved mantra and the said upnishad in mind, those are not rishi-muni etc., who are suffering from multi-farious diseases, tension etc., and too lack the knowledge of four Vedas and Ashtang yoga philosophy mentioned in Vedas.
Study of Mahabharat, holy granth and Valmiki Ramayan reveals that usually the ancient Rishis, who lived in gurukul or in jungle used to go to the kingdom on invitation only. (Valmiki
Ramayan Bal Kand sarg 7 also refers). So it is not fair to send disciples door to door to collect money and to arrange maximum gathering/crowd. The Rishis like Vyas Muni etc., used to go mostly on foot and alone to anywhere (Mahabharat says) but now the present saints/Gurus go in a fleet of cars/groups with body guards etc., etc.
The Rishis themselves had simple living without luxury etc., but with their blessings they made people the richest whereas most of the present saints have become the richest with all luxury, gathering money/donation etc., from even poor people and public seems to be
poor.
In Brihadarnayk Upnishad there is a debate (shastrarth) between Bal Brahamcharini Gargi and Rishi Yagvalkya. This debate was organized by King Janak. The winner of debate was to be given 500 cows, gold-plated on horns. When Rishi Yagvalkya ordered his disciples to take the cows
then King Janak interrupted and requested the Rishi that these cows are meant for him who will win the debate with my supreme Acharya Gargi. King asked the Rishi whether he (Rishi) is Brahamrishi. Yagvalkya Rishi answered, O! King there was shortage of milk in my Gurukul to my students and that is why I wanted to take the cows. But if you want to ask something I am ready. There was a debate and Rishi won and got cows. This story tells that all Rishis used to ask for
donation when they needed whereas present saints even having become multimillionaires through donation, ask for more money.
In Upnishad king Janshruti met with Rishi Rakya in lonely place sitting on sand under the shadow of Bullock cart. Whereas present saints meet people sitting on highly decorated and valuable throne.
Rishi Jadbharat was sitting alone in a jungle on the earth. When he was asked to carry the palanquin (palki) putting one side on his shoulder, then he immediately became ready without any pride and
walked on foot. Mostly now this cannot be repeated.
There are maximum examples of the ancient Rishis who were Tapsvi, lovers of truth, who are adorable.
Sanyasi
Manusmriti says that being sanyasi/saint if the person has not left ill conduct, has no control on five senses, five perceptions and mind. Thus he has no peace within him but has jealousy and ravages of hatred etc., has not realized God by doing practice of Ashtang yoga then he is doing more sins (Kathopnishad 2/24 also refers).
A sanyasi has a special mind due to the result of his tapsya (knowledge of Vedas and practice of Ashtang yoga etc.,) he always controls not to do any sin against Vedas-shastras by mind, intellect deeds and chitta {Faculty where the effect of his various thoughts are stored” which is called chitta and in Yog shastra sutra chitta comprises of mind (mann), intellect (buddhi), ahankar (ego).} He is complete ascetic according to Yog shastra sutra 1/15 and 1/16
i.e., he is away from any kind of attraction of listening, looking at all the materialistic articles of the world made by God. But always does deeds selflessly to spread the wisdom to the public.
Those who lack eternal knowledge mentioned in Vedas and are indulged in illusion etc., but introduce themselves as learned sanyasi/saints, they always bear unlimited sorrows (Mundukopnishad shlok 2/8, 9 also refers) who have not realized God, but are ascetic these sanyasis must go to a learned sanyasi to serve him to take Vedic knowledge to realize God (Mundukopnishad shlok 2/12 also refers). If sanyasi/saint is not ascetic then he will spread poison to the public.
A sanyasi is never attached with any affection of mann, assets, defect/disorder/change of mind and attachment towards son, family etc. A sanyasi does not favour anyone but speaks truth always according to
Vedas. He is always benevolent/kind/beneficent. He has controlled anger even when the opposition abuses him. He cuts his hairs, nails, beard, moustaches (Manusmriti chapter six refers). A sanyasi daily does study of Vedas and practice of Ashtang yoga. In the absence of real sanyasi, truth can not be understood and maintained. Those who say that for sanyasi no deed is left to be done, they are spreading poison by telling lie. Vedas as well as Manusmriti say that a sanyasi has to discharge duties according to Vedas. A real sanyasi, when he was in home, had responsibility of his family only, but after taking sanyaas, he has to look after whole of the world to kill their sorrows etc., and to realize God by his true preach. A sanyasi can not leave other pious deeds and if sanyasi/saints ignore Vedic pious deeds/responsibilities, then they are sinners naturally. Such sanyasi/saints take money from the public and enjoy but do not speak truth and do not spread real knowledge to kill the sorrows and problem of the public. If a person does not use eye to see and ear to listen does not speak truth and if a sanyasi does not spread eternal knowledge of Vedas, then he is false speaker and is a burden on the earth.
