Manish Bansal: Swamiji.. you have said Shri Krishna was yogi and not God. Then tell me when did he start yoga? Can a 1 month old baby do yoga or read Vedas? Can he lift a mountain on his little finger when he is just 7, remind you he had not yet read Vedas. Can he kill so many demons in childhood? And you say Shri Krishna was not giving knowledge but God was giving knowledge. How can someone talk in first person on behalf of other person. Shri Krishna himself said in Bhagwadgeeta that fools will envy me and not recognise me as God.
Manish Bansal: Swamiji.. you have said Shri Krishna was yogi and not God. Then tell me when did he start yoga? Can a 1 month old baby do yoga or read Vedas? Can he lift a mountain on his little finger when he is just 7, remind you he had not yet read Vedas. Can he kill so many demons in childhood? And you say Shri Krishna was not giving knowledge but God was giving knowledge. How can someone talk in first person on behalf of other person. Shri Krishna himself said in Bhagwadgeeta that fools will envy me and not recognise me as God. And Swamiji, Shri Adi Shankracharya of Aadwait mat also worshipped Krishna and Shiv, how could he? Because he did not preach idol worship. Please put a light on this.
Swami Ram Swarup: I appreciate your views, please and my blessings to you, also for the way you wrote. You yourself know that your views are based on Bhagwat purann. I am sorry to state that Bhagwat purann is not a recognized granth by learned acharyas of Vedas because it differs from eternal knowledge of Vedas. For example- Yajurveda mantra 40/8 tells about God- that God is omnipresent, Almighty, takes no body, is away from death and birth, has no nervous system, is formless, swayambhu i.e., He is eternal, nobody has made Him and nothing can be made from the God.Yajurveda mantra 27/36 states- “Na tasya Pratima asti” i.e., God cannot be measured/His Idol cannot be made. I would request you to read some of my Vedic books and give comments thereon. All Vedas clarify that Almighty God who has unlimited divine powers to control the universe, needs not to take avtar etc., because God is independent and therefore need not to take any assistance of weapon, power etc., from anybody. He is alone enough to control the universe. Rigveda mantra 7/35/1-14 states that He is “Aj Ek Paad” i.e., He never takes birth and is one and will ever remain unchangeable one.
Avtar
God is only one who creates the universe and no other can create the universe except God. Please think deeply is any one except God empowered for creation, etc.? The pious qualities of God are unlimited whereas qualities of soul, which resides in human body, are limited. That is why He is God. This fact is also mentioned by Rishi Patanjali in his Yog shastra sutra 1/24, “KALEASHKARAMVIPAKASHYAIHI APRAMRISHTAHA PURUSHVISHESHAHA ISHWARAHA” i.e., He who is not indulged in any sorrows/sufferings (kalesh), in any kind of deed (karma) and result thereof (vipakya), He is supreme in souls and is called Ishwar (God), whereas, soul is indulged in all the said matters according to deeds done in previous, and in the present life. So this is also a difference between God and souls and therefore soul can never be God based on the different qualities.
Amongst unlimited qualities of God, few may be enumerated-that God creates, nurses and destroys the universe. God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent and Almighty, beyond description, beyond imagination, and beyond calculation. Nobody on the earth can deny such qualities, but these qualities are to be discussed and considered deeply and he who does the same is called MUNI as per Vedas and shastras.
Let us think over one quality of God – Being Almighty. Almighty means God has all powers and thus God, to control the universe and to do any kind of deed for the same, can not be dependent on another, at any cost, being Almighty. Again shastras say, which is a true saying too, that there must be reason behind for any creation, matter etc. God is a reason to create the universe. Parents are the reason to give birth to a child. Ravana took Sita forcefully which became a reason for war between Shri Ram and Ravana etc. So as per Vedas there must be a reason of avtar and after studying eternal knowledge of Vedas and thinking deeply, there seems no reason to take avtar by Almighty God. As in Yajurveda mantra 2/26, so is in Shwetashwaropnishad shlok 6/8 wherein it is mentioned that there is no reason to form a God and thus God is also formless i.e., nobody can make God but God creates universe from non-alive prakriti. Secondly the said Upnishad says that the deeds of God of creation, nursing, and destruction of universe are eternal, natural, and automatic. So naturally God needs no avtar to destroy Kalyug, earth, or devils etc., being Almighty i.e., God has all powers and is independent. Not God but only His powers are enough to control, create, nurse, destroy the universe. That is why Upnishad says that God has no desire to create etc., but it is eternal and natural and this sort of desire is named “IKSHAN” and not desire to create, etc.
Suppose God has to kill a devil and He takes avtar and God kills the devils by arrow etc. It means God is not Almighty and independent because God has taken help of Avtar (Human body) and arrow, gun, etc., which is impossible.
This all I have told based on fundamental law of eternal knowledge of four Vedas. Yet if anybody says about avtar then it is their own views and they are satisfied with their views and can not be commented because they could have been realizing at their own but so far as eternal knowledge of Vedas is concerned, Avtar is not possible.
GOD POSSESSES UNLIMITED POWERS SO NO SCOPE OF DEPENDENCY/AVTAR
Yajurveda mantra 31/3 and Rigveda mandal 10, sukta 129 state
“PADOSYA VISHWA BHOOTANI TRIPADASYAMRITAM DIVI”
i.e., only a small fraction of God’s power acts in Prakriti and the universe is generated from prakriti. But the remaining three “padaha” i.e., remaining divine, eternal power remains with Almighty God. After creating, non-sexual, non alive universe the God enters the creation and that is why He is called omnipresent.
God thus remains unchangeable. For example- God enters in the sun, moon, air and in the earth. It means He enters but always remains separate from sun, moon etc., just as an electric current enters into the wire but wire will remain separate and current shall always remain separate from the wire. Wire shall never become current and vice-versa. The qualities of the wire will always be separate from qualities of electric current. Similarly, divine qualities of the God will ever remain separate from the simple qualities of the sun, moon, earth, air, water, etc.
God always remains unchangeable and keeping in view the fundamental law of nature why will He come out of universe to take any form? At the time of final destruction, the entire creation shall be turned into non-alive matter i.e., Prakriti and automatically the Almighty God shall remain as He is. He needs not to take any form. He will be within all matters, being the minutest.
Sanatan means eternal and everlasting. The education of sanatan dharma is gained through Vedas because Vedas are also sanatan.
Vedas have never been written by anyone. This knowledge emanates from Almighty God at the beginning of each creation.
Adhyatmik, adhibhautik, adhidaivik are three types of sorrows. These have been very well stated by Kapil Muni in his Sankhya shastra sutra 1/1. Sutra states-
TRIVIDHIHI DUKHAHA ATYANT NIVRITTI ATYANT PURUSHARATHAHA
Meaning- There are “TRIVIDHIHI DUKHAHA” i.e., there are three types of sorrows- adhidaivik, adhibhautik, adhyatmik. An aspirant has to accomplish the aim of human life which is to destroy the said sorrows by real worship of God.
CONCENTRATE OVER VEDAS TO REACH AT TRUTH
No doubt, without guru/teacher, nobody can gain knowledge. This is a fundamental law of nature that knowledge is gained when it is given by someone. That is why Vedas state that first guru of four Rishis of unsexual creation is Almighty God Himself from whom the knowledge of Vedas emanates and is originated in the heart of four rishis. Thereafter the knowledge is spread by Rishis traditionally. So guru is essential as per Vedas, but Vedas state that he must be learned of four Vedas and ashtang yoga Philosophy. The ancient Rishis also wrote books i.e., six shastras, upnishads, Bhagwad Geeta etc., but they wrote books which were totally based on Vedas.
Yog Shastra Sutra 1/7 states that to reach at truth, a brief discussion and proof of Ved mantras is essential.
The said fact has also been mentioned by Rishi Patanjali in his Yog Shastra Sutra 1/7 that to reach at the truth or to declare a matter as true, proof of Vedas is essential. Kapil Muni in his Sankhya Shastra Sutra 3/81 further states that in the absence of proof of ved mantras and alive Ashtang Yogi, who is learned of Vedas, a new tradition of blind faith will start. I mean to say, in Vedas there is only one formless, Almighty, omnipresent God Who is worshipped. God never takes birth, He is always away from birth and death and never faces result of any deeds, etc.
You are right that why so many books are being written at present. I mean to say, if the books do not contain the proof of Ved mantras then the books will not be of any use as per the statement of above Yog Shastra sutra and Vedas.
Several books are not required to be written if our concentration is made on listening/studying the Vedas. Now, there is a problem that the learned of Vedas has to write the books to spread the knowledge of Vedas and to oppose the views of the writers, saints etc., which are against the Vedas.
As regards only preaching of Bhagwad Geeta, it will not serve the purpose please. You know, Geeta has been written by Vyas muniji about 5,300 years ago and orated by Yogeshwar Sri Krishna Maharaj. Both the dignitaries were learned of Vedas and Ashtang yoga Philosophy.
You see, the medical philosophy is known by students of medical science only. Similarly, Bhagwad Geeta’s philosophy written by philosopher of Vedas will only be known by the philosophers of Vedas and not by others.
Nowadays, several saints have written comments on Bhagwad Geeta but they do not know Sanskrit and Vedas’ philosophy then how can their comments be considered authentic?
As per Sankhya Shastra Sutra 3/81 written by Kapil muniji, such practice spreads blind faith in the public. So, first of all study of four Vedas and hard practice of ashtang Yoga Philosophy is required to realise the truth. Bhagwad Geeta is a spiritual, social, pious granth but you see before its existence the spiritual knowledge was also alive. Moreover, the real study of Bhagwad Geeta reveals that this pious granth inspires the aspirants to study Vedas and to start hard practice of Ashtang Yoga Philosophy.
However, I would again extend my apologies to write about Vedic contents which do not tally with Bhagwat Purann or any purann please. You can discuss the matter again, if not, you are requested to continue your worship, faith and views based on Purann please leaving the Vedic path. I also paste my article on Vedic philosophy.
Vedas’ Philosophy
God has made universe and blessed us human body to do pious deeds only. He has not made any heaven or hell. All have to face the result of their deeds, good or bad here only, even by taking rebirth. (Rigveda mantra 10/135/1,2)
God has not only made universe but has also given knowledge of four Vedas where answers to your and everyone’s questions have been given. There are four Vedas:
1. Rig Veda – gives knowledge of science, matter of the universe like sun, moon, air body etc., etc.
2. Yajurveda – gives knowledge of all the deeds and duties to be performed by men or women, students, leaders, king, agriculturist etc., etc., etc.
3 Samveda – gives knowledge how to worship God who gives peace and long happy life etc. In this way, details of Yoga philosophy, qualities, supreme deeds and nature of the God are also given.
4 Atharvaveda – gives details of God, medical science and details of medicine etc.
Actually in four Vedas there is unlimited knowledge. Yajurveda mantra 40/8 says that God is everywhere, is Almighty, formless, devoid of nervous system, purest, away from sins and away to face any result of any karmas (deeds), knows every soul, knows what is in everyone’s mind, no body has made God, but God creates universe, has given the eternal knowledge of four Vedas and always gives the said knowledge at the beginning of every universe to know the science and deeds to all concern. Similarly four Vedas say about God that God is an omnipresent, omniscient, formless, beyond imagination and beyond calculation. Actually God has unlimited qualities. There is only one God who creates, nurses, destroys the universe and again creates. Atharvaveda mantra 4/1/1 also says that God gives the knowledge of Vedas at the beginning of the earth to four Rishis of unsexual creation. And thereafter only public listens Vedas through Rishis Munis as yet and become learned. Rig-Veda gives knowledge of Almighty, Yajurveda gives knowledge of karmas (deeds), Samveda tells about worship-Yoga philosophy and Atharvaveda about medicines and God. Actually all Vedas commonly says about God also, so this is about Vedas in short. But the knowledge of Vedas is endless.
It is a fundamental law that knowledge is always given by somebody otherwise knowledge can’t be gained at any cost. If a new born baby is nursed well in a dense jungle and is not educated then he will not be able to gain any knowledge. So we have to think about the origin of the knowledge prevalent in the world today. In this connection all Vedas themselves say that God gives this knowledge to four Rishis. As has also been said by Rishi Patanjali in yoga shastra sutra 1/26, God is first Guru of the four Rishis.
Yajurveda mantra 31/7 also refers. This is all in short about Vedas.
The Vedas are not a book, rather it is a knowledge originated in the heart of Rishis. At the time of beginning of the earth those Rishis preached Vedas by mouth and all others remembered the same by mouth at that time there was no pen, pencil, paper, etc. This process of studying Vedas by mouth remained till Mahabharata time. Muni Vyas too remembered Vedas traditionally by mouth. Then Muni Vyas first time wrote the Vedas on Bhoj patra about 5300 years ago. In 16th century when printing press came into existence then the Vedas were printed. Still Vedas are not those which have been printed but Vedas are those which are preached by mouth by an Acharya/yogi and the printed Vedas are called Sanhita.
Now if somebody worships a statue etc., i.e., its their own creation please but Vedas deny. According to Vedas the best worship of the God is Yajyen (Yajna) for which all Vedas are self-proof. Yajurveda mantra 31/16 says that the learned persons worship God by Yajyen.
So many people have asked me that most of the scholars/preachers of different religion state that their religion incorporates all matters of the world including science. What about Vedas? I wrote so many Ved Mantras describing science matters therein. For example, Yajurvaveda Mantra 3/6 states “Ayam Gauhu Swaha Pitram Puraha Prayan Mataram Prishnihi Aakrameet Asadat”.
Meaning= This earth revolves around the Sun in the space and it also rotates on its own axis. Vedas are eternal like God because Vedas emanate from God. Now, according to Vedas, this present creation is about 1 Arab, 96 crores, 8 lakh and about 53,000 years old. So are the Vedas but as said in Rigveda Mantra 10/191/3 the present creation is same as was the previous one and this process of creation is eternal. So are the Vedas which emanate from eternal God. This all concludes that Vedas are the oldest in this creation also and no other book of science, maths or pertaining to spiritualism is written before Vedas.
Like the above example of rotation and revolution of earth, the significance of whole present science is mentioned in Vedas. We can see that whatever is happening in the universe, is all according to the Vedas. For example, occurance of six seasons, actions of Sun, moon, process of death, birth, worship, yoga philosophy, atomic energy, agriculture, animal husbandry, knowledge of politics, administration, architecture, solar energy, knowledge of home appliances like mixer, grinder, business rules, about men, women, children, marriage, Brahamcharya, education, clothes etc., etc., i.e., knowledge right from a straw to Brahma is all in Vedas. God is Almighty and has unlimited powers. So through His power He is able to originate the knowledge of Vedas in the heart of four Rishis without pencil, paper, help of mouth or any other worldly assistance.
We, i.e., the whole world depends on Almighty God but God is forever independent. That is why, He is God. We are the souls who reside in human bodies. We need assistance of senses, perceptions, mind and body to do deeds but not God.
Nowadays, so many saints are writing books. What is the background to right their books? Background is clear that they have first studied or listened the preach from their Gurus, keeping aside the matter of truth or falsehood. And after studying or listening the same, they became able to write the books. So this is also fundamental law, based on which, the ancient Rishis first listened Vedas and when they became learned then only they wrote the Vedic books like Valmikee Ramayana, six shastras, Mahabharata (Bhagwad Geeta), Upanishads, etc., etc. So, first the knowledge of Vedas is initiated in the universe and afterwards other books come into existence.
Somebody may say that human beings have knowledge by their nature to create anything like books etc., but we see that the newly born baby who is nursed in a jungle, in the absence of knowledge of a learned person, he becomes incapable to do anything. Thus, he can’t be M.A, M.Sc, doctor etc. So there are two types of the words and meanings. First, eternal which are from Almighty God and second, natural made by human beings. Eternal word meanings are always from Vedas i.e., from God. After listening/studying Vedas, human-beings become learned and then too based on their own natural knowledge, they make their own words and meanings, literature etc. But it is very much clear that in the absence of knowledge of Vedas, no one can become learned. Nowadays, also people live in dense jungle and do not lead a civilized life because they are not learned as cited above. Vedas are not sects because they emanate direct from God and God is one for all
human beings. God creates sun, moon, air, water, food etc., which are meant for the best use of all human-beings for their long, happy life. So are the Vedas.
So all human beings must accept Vedas as an eternal knowledge from God, for the benefit of whole creation.
S C: Thank you for the kind reply and I’ll definitely tell my daughter to chant the gayatri mantra and also to be more loving and calm. Please bless her that all goes well soon.
Swami Ram Swarup: My blessings to you and your daughter to get success at every step of life.
Hajur: Thank you very much Swami ji. This helps me to understand my religion. Once again thank yo very much.
Swami Ram Swarup: My blessings to you.
Navin Mehta: Pujya Swamiji, Pranam, I am thankful to you for your detailed reply about Indra of king as per Vedic philosophy. Swamiji, to be frank with you I am not satisfy with your answer, your karma theory is absolutely perfect and accepted, but the word Indra son of Kasyam and grand son of Brahama can not be denied as per Puran. Swarag and narak is very well described in purans and our purans are not imaginative stories, I also accept your sound belief about Vedant and no one can challenge Ved, then how come the story of Alhaya with Gautam rishi has come in Ramayan, Valmiki or Tulsi has narrated this subject in detail as such there must be some thing about Indra. I wanted know know about Indra in detail as per purans and you are right that Ved does not specify swarg still from where the word Indra has come and why other granth and puran has written about Indra, they can not be denied also. My request is to know more about Indra as per purans.
Swami Ram Swarup: My blessings to you. As regards purann, I paste my answer to one of the questions, below. I am sorry to state that Bhagwat purann is not a recognized granth by learned acharyas of Vedas because it differs from eternal knowledge of Vedas. For example- Yajurveda mantra 40/8 tells about God- that God is omnipresent, Almighty, takes no body, is away from death and birth, has no nervous system, is formless, swayambhu i.e., He is eternal, nobody has made Him and nothing can be made from the God. Yajurveda mantra 27/36 states- “Na tasya Pratima asti” i.e., God cannot be measured/His Idol cannot be made. I would request you to read some of my vedic books and give comments thereon. All Vedas clarify that Almighty God who has unlimted divine powers to control the universe, needs not to take avtar etc., because God is independent and therefore need not to take any assistance of weapon, power etc., from anybody. He is alone enough to control the universe. Rigveda mantra 7/35/10-14 states that He is “Aj Ek Paad” i.e., He never takes birth and is one and will ever remain unchangeable one.
Swarg Narak
Swarg and narak are on earth only based on the deeds of previous lives’ please, because the deeds of present life will be borne in the future life. Punishment is given to bear the result of past deeds only without considering that individual repents or not. If one has to repent then while experiencing enjoyment of worldly articles, he always sees the other poor, defaulters, orphans, lame, leprosy patients and moreover several deaths which cause sorrows, as the result of previous deeds. But very few repent and become ascetic. In this connection Rig-Veda mantra 10/135/2 says that God has given the human body to face the result of the past sins. And whatever sins the individual does in the present life he will face the same in the next births. But those who go to a learned Acharya and follow the true path while discharging family duties, they kill the previous sins in this life and have no sin to bear in the next life because such persons always do pious deeds under the guidance of a learned Acharya who knows Vedas.
The person is given punishment in another life because he has to face the result of the deeds of past lives’ in the present birth and thus no scope of bearing the sins in the present life of deeds (sinful) done in the present life. This is a fundamental law of Vedas which I have written so many times stating three types of karmas and would request you to please see www.vedmandir.com also in this connection. This human life is only blessed to go to a learned Acharya, to understand philosophy of good and bad deeds, sins, philosophy of worship, aim of life, duties etc., as is also said in Rig-Veda mantra 10/135/3.
The Valmiki Ramayan is authentic Ramayan, please, being according to eternal philosophy of Vedas. Valmikiji was a Rishi and philosopher of Vedas. He wrote the ramayan when he himself and Sri Ramji were alive. He has written the true story of Ahilya that when Sri Ram, Laxman along with Vishwamitraji entered the ashram of Ahilyabai, they both were surprised to look at the face and eyes of Ahilya like burning fire/like rays of light of sun coming from her eyes as a result of her continuous Ashtang Yoga practice and deep study of Vedas. So, both bowed before the tapasvani ahilyabai and touched her feet to pay their respect to a brahmin’s wife. It was right because Sri Ram and Laxman were kshatriyas and according to Vedas, they were liable to give respect to Brahmin’s family because Sri Ram was a son of Dashrath who was monarch (Chakravarti raja). Accordingly, she also offered food etc., in return which is called “atithi satkar in Vedas but unscientific
story of Ahilya being a rock has not been written therein because, I again reiterate the fact that Valmiki Rishi was a philosopher of Vedas and could not write a false story or a story against the Vedas and against the science. As regards Indra, Indra is a name of a person who entered the ashram of Ahilya. Nowadays, there are so many Indras but not God, Yogis, Rishis or aspirants who have controlled their senses, perceptions and mind.
