Facing struggles of family life

Brave man never fails and I would like to mention here the word, impossible" for which Napoleon said that there is no word impossible in my dictionary. However, without proper knowledge and spiritual advice, no one can get peace. In case of Napoleon also, if I would say that if he could be advised for spreading International brotherhood and peace, then he could not be finished and could be remembered as a great dignity in the matter of spreading peace because everybody has to leave all the earned materialistic articles of the world.

How did Rishis worship God without temples?

Rigveda mantra 1/164/46 says," EKAM SADRUPA VIPRAH BAHUDHA VADANTI," i.e., EKAM SATAM means truth is one i.e., God is one but VIPRAH = Rishis, Munis who were/are learned of Vedas, BAHUDHA VADANTI utters so many names of God mentioned in Vedas like AGNIM YAMAM MATRISHVANAM AAHUHU meaning-the name of God are Agni, Yam, Matrishva and AAHUHU means "says".

Student life and Brahamcharya

Bhagwat Geeta in reality gives knowledge to us to study Vedas and very few know this fact. If Shri Krishna Maharaj could not study Vedas from Rishis Sandeepan with his friend Sudama, then how could he preach Arjuna. Actually Geeta is a true holy book but 99% writers are giving false views which I have been realising. Reason behind, that Shri Krishna Maharaj and the real writer of Bhagwat Geeta i.e., rishi Vyas were philosophers of Vedas and yoga philosophy whereas most of the present writershave never studied Vedas or tell lies that they know Vedas.

Adwaitvad - questions and answers - October 04, 2004

1. How a man will be free from the reactions of the deeds he/she performs on earth?
Swami Ramswarup: There are three kinds of karmas sanchit, prarabdha and kriyamaan. Vedas tell to discharge our duties (karmas) according to Vedas as also mentioned in Bhagwat Geeta 3/15 which says that karmas are emanated from Vedas. Sanchit karmas means the total number of karmas of the previous births at the time of taking birth. Prarabhadh karam means the karmas taken from sanchit and are to be faced in present life (good or bad). Kriyamaan karmas ,means the present life's karmas. From present pious karmas we can burn all past karmas good or bad and can get salvation. So the importance actually is of present pious deeds according to Vedas.

2. If Myself is part of his creation, what stopping me to know my creator as he is?
Swami Ramswarup: The body is created by God according to deeds and we are soul reside in the body. Soul is eternal and is not made by anybody. Illusion due to which we are called ignorant, is the reason which does not allow us to know ourself that we are souls. God is one souls are several. Body is dead but not soul. When anyone goes to a learned philosopher of Vedas and yoga then one day the illusion is over and he knows himself.

3. Why every human being asked to realize the self in the spiritual path, what will happen if he/she don’t?
Swami Ramswarup: The nature of soul is eternal, peaceful, calmetc., but he has forgotten his own stage due to illusion. So due to effect of the said nature everybody tries to get peace, calm, etc., which is only possible through spiritualism and not by means of worldly articles etc.

4. Most of the spiritual gurus preach to extend the love and peace with others, How do you define these two terms?
Swami Ramswarup: Love and peace are the result of tapsya and isnever attained on the basis of mere preach or worldly knowledge as is also mentioned in Kenopnishad shlok 4/8. So to extend the same one will have to gather the same within him for which knowledge of four Vedas and practice of ashtang yoga, worship, prayer are essential being eternal philosophy. But against the Vedas most of the saints, study, remember and make talks thereon which is itself a sin. For example in 12th chapter of Bhagwat Geeta shlok 8, it is said that one should surrender his mann and budhhi to God.Further in this shlok it is said that he will be in God (realize God) and in this statement there is no doubt. Suppose anybody study this shlok only and does not practice the said path of Vedas and yoga then will he be able to realse God mere on the statement. In shlok 13 of this chapter it is said to leave dvesh (hate), attachment, proud, etc., so this is a preach. If we read this preach only and remember the same by heart then whether we will be able to leave the said bad evils/sanskars until we follow the said eternal path of Vedas and yoga. Actually now a days people have been made by false saints to listen the sweet-sweet words only which are sweet like honey. And everybody can listen because listening is not a problem but nobody can experience and nobody can get peace or love etc. Even the preacher who is lack of Vedas and yoga philosophy is always under influence of illusion but act like a film actor. Because they are not ocean of peace and love like Vyas Muni, Guru Vashisth and all ancient rishis Munis who are philosopher of eternal knowledge of Vedas and yoga. If present false saints who are against the Vedas and yoga could be able to spread love and peace then there would have been no hate, corruption, insult of women, slaveness of child etc., violence, selfishness, injustice, politics of votes etc-etc., which are all over the world and such saints hold Yajna and tells to spread peace and love for whole of the world. Whereas there is lot of decrease in the world.

5. Why most of the people cling to get attached with the worldly objects and its pleasures?
Swami Ramswarup: This is due to the nature of soul which is calledPARISHWANGDHARMI in Vedas i.e., attachment. When anybody takes birth the soul has its nature of attachment. For attachment the soul has two matters before him--- 1. prakriti made worldly articles like gold, silver, building, car, film song, etc-etc.,
2. Almighty God . due to lack of true preach most of the souls are attached to world and thus accept problem, tension, sickness, worries and next bad birth etc. few only who attends satsang etc., get peace.

6. Why is it wrong to enjoy the pleasures given by the worldly objects?
Swami Ramswarup: Why everybody is not interested to play with apoisonous snake. Answer is clear that it is a great danger to life. But snake charmer who knows about the snakes' nature and takes out its poison always plays with snake and make source to live upon even. So worldly objects are not prohibited in the Vedas but are to be used to live upon. But before its use one will have to know its effect and defect and aspect through Vedas. Then the worldly object will be faithful to make realisation of God even and as also stated in Yajurveda mantra 40/1. Because then one will be able to know good and bad, true and false.

7. How as a parent can inculcate the spiritual thinking in the child?
Swami Ramswarup: For this the parent first must be of spiritualminded complete in all respect like king Dashrath, and Janak etc., and mother like Mata Sita and Kaushlya etc. Otherwise the parent must give advice to the child to go to a spiritual master who is a learned of Vedas and yoga philosophy like Vyas Muni and Guru Vashisth. Without such Guru there is no way.

8. I find myself thinking differently with other fellow men in establishing goals in this materialistic world and observed same with others. Why it isso, assuming everybody has his divine grace?
Swami Ramswarup: This difference is due to based on worldly theory because nobody has realized the omnipresent God within all through Vedas and ashtang yoga practice. Mere sayings has no values and will never give peace.

9. Per Bhagawat Gita, Lord Krishna states that, everybody has to do karma. Every body should act based on his/her swadharma. Most of them have attributes inflected from this world which are good and bad set by the scriptures. If every attribute is coming from this world, why one is good and other is bad?
Swami Ramswarup: Bhagwat Geeta also says in shlok 3/15 that allkarmas emanates from four Vedas and everybody must follow the orders of the Vedas and must discharge duties according to Vedas. But due to bad luck most of the people are against the Vedas and thus is the problem.

10. Is god expecting any thing from the human race?
Swami Ramswarup: No please.

11. If he and his attributes are infinite, how will an ordinary human would know him with his/her limited capabilities?
Swami Ramswarup: One should worship God who has unlimitedcapabilities. God and soul are separate from each other. God is unlimited qualities etc., whereas soul is limited. And God has made provision and has given chance of human life to soul to realize God.

Vedic Sanskars

The sixteen sanskars are performed under guidance of a learned Guru who knows Vedas because in every sanskar the havan is perforemed with Vedic mantras. These all were performed in Satyug, Dwapur, treta yuga and too by Shri Ram, Shri Krishna etc.

1. Garbhdhan Sanskar --- which is performed just after marriage and before pregnancy to have a good baby.
2. Punsvan sanskar ---which is peformed just after pregnancy of second or third month.
3. Seemantonnayan sanskar ---in 4th, 6th or in 8th month of pregnancy.

Ashwamedh Yajyen

Actually the meaning of the Ved mantra are produced by rishi who has done hard practice of Yoga philosophy and has studied all Vedas. Because Rigvedamantra 1/164/16 says, "NA CHIKET ANDHSAH" I.E., he who is not a yogi and has not realized God cannot know the real meaning. Within five thousands years the false statement against the Vedas are being spread and people being innocent, accept the false.

State of women in ancient times

Nature cannot be changed. When man or woman take birth then they are suppressed to bear the or to face the result of past deeds (karmas). But when a person really worships God and study Vedas then he burns all the previous deeds to face and nature of the soul appears.

Maha Mritunjaya Mantra (Yajurveda 3/60 & Rigveda 7/59/12)

This mantra is mentioned in Yajurveda chapter 3 mantra 60 and Rigveda mandal 7 sukt 59 mantra 12. The mantra is "TREYAMBAKAM YAJAMAHE SUGANDHIM PUSHTIVARDHNAM URVARUKMIV BANDHNANMRITYORMUKSHIY MAMRITAT" (Rigveda 7/59/12).

Meaning:
Sugandhim = having fame, pushtivardhnam = who increases powers, treyambakam = who save us in past, present and future, yajamahe = we worship that God, urvarukmiv = like ripened musk melon, bandhnat = from binding, mrityoh= from death, mukshiy = to be free, amritat= from salvation, ma, aa= not.

Full meaning:

Who should be considered next to GOD?

In Shatpath Brahmin Granth 3/7/3/10, written by Yask Muni it is said, "VIDWANS HI DEVAHA" i.e., he who is learned of Vedas, he is called Dev. Yajurveda mantra 40/3 says, "ASURYA NAAM TE LOKAHA ANDHEN TAMSA VRITAHA_______" means while taking birth a child is called "Manushya" i.e., mankind. If he learns Vedas, does pious deeds and discharges his moral duties well and according to Vedas then he becomes Dev. Otherwise asur i.e., devil (demon), one who kills the pure voice of soul and does sins.

Adwaitvad - questions and answers - July 03, 2004

Swamiji's previous reply: So first to be a learned of Vedas and knower of five fires or a sanyasi who lives in a dense jungle and does worship with trust, is necessary.
Ram Suri present reply: Living in a dense jungle for worship of divine with trust is not necessary please.
Swami Ramswarup: To come to truth the proof of Vedas is necessary (Rigveda mantra 1/55/4 and Yoga shastra sutra 1/7). Sutra 1/15,16 of Yoga shastra wants asceticism and who is ascetic he leaves everything. His senses are controlled. If any body on the earth is ascetic in accordance with the said Yoga shastras sutra and Ved mantra, he is adorable otherwise there remains only matter of talking as said in sutra 1/23 and Keno Upanishad shlok 4/8. So please quote every time the proof of Ved mantra in support of your views, which has, yet not been done by you. So Please quote any Ved mantra where asceticism or going to jungle has not been accepted by a sanyasi as said in Br. Up.6/2/15 also. Previously I quoted Br. Up. 6/2/15 that a sanyasi has to go to jungle. On study of the said Upanishad, it is a requirement of Upanishad and not mine but I accept the requirement of Upanishad. Vedas have told four ashram, brahmacharya, grisath, Vanprasth and Sanyas . Amongst the same, only gristhashram used to be situated in cities and remaining in jungle. Shri Krishna attained Vedas' education in jungle in Sandeepan Rishi's Gurukul. Shri Ram used to go on the bank of river Saryu in lonelyjungle to the ashram of Vashisth Muni. Every Gurukul for the last one Arab and more than 96 crore years i.e., up to Mahabhart period was situated in jungle and aspirants used to go to jungle to the Gurukul to take education not of holy Upanishad, Geeta, shastra,Ramayana, etc., but of Vedas only because at that time these holy books had not been written. So this tradition if has been changed at present, it makes no difference to the culture but has changed the views of ancient and eternal Indian religious paths by those who are not serious about Vedas' path i.e., their own way and they are free for the same too. So it is, even now, necessary to go to jungle if there is any Gurukul situated there, if not, then anybody can go anywhere to get the Vedas' knowledge.

Ram Suri: Please note that Lord Krishna did not teach Gita to some one who lived in dense jungle. In other words..
Swami Ramswarup: Vyas Muni did tapsya in a lonely jungle and in island called Krishan Dweep but after getting salvation he spread it amongst Raj Rishis like Pandavas etc., in cities also and so is the case of Shri Krishna who got Vedic education in a jungle and taught Geeta in city.

Ram Suri: it is not that where you are living, but it is how you are living', that is required for worship of divine.
Swami Ramswarup: I had been living in dense jungle and I have still made my ashram in jungle in 1979 as yet it is a backward area in spite of some improvement by Govt. Where I lived and am living now normally snakes and wild creatures are seen here. But I am not aware of you as to where you live because you may be satisfied with your living please. As regards computer, it is functioning by my disciple about 500 km away from me. As far as my disciples are concerned they are happy satisfied with the Vedic culture and I need not to quote anything about them. They respectfully and pleasantly come to me to get Veda and yoga education, from abroad also, but I do not try to go to them now.

Ram Suri: Sri Rama Krishna Parama Hamsa did not read Vedas nor did he live in dense jungle nor did he practice astange yoga.
Swami Ramswarup: I never thought about Shri Ramakrishna Paramhansa and Gandhi ji but if you say that they got salvation, it may be correct at your end please. Because I have no time to check salvation of others. But I respect all.

Ram Suri: But he is the great person who experienced divine. Similarly, Mahatma Gandhi did not live dense jungle nor read Vedas nor practiced astanga yoga. But he also got salvation. How do we know that he got salvation? He died by uttering of divine's name, and as per Gita 8/5 he got the salvation. How he got divine's name suddenly at the time of sudden death? He remembered divine's name at all the time. In other words, his mind is always tuned to divine, but his hands are in the society, meaning that even though he is discharging his karma, he is doing so for the sake of divine, and thus able to remember divine at the time of sudden death also. From the above two examples, it is clear that one does not need to be in dense jungle in order to have faith and worship divine.
Swami Ramswarup: So this is your own view to deny jungle or a lonely place or a sanyasi and ascetic, which is but natural and Vedas do not deny the same. But if in cities it is possible to realize God according to Vedas. Then it is okay please. Because now a days it is beyond imagination that anybody will go to jungle yet on this pious land of India the jungles are still used by some ascetics for meditation.

Ram Suri: If you are still not convinced with the above examples, then I would like to ask few simple questions. Is your ashram located in dense jungle also? It will be difficult for me to imagine, as it is difficult to have Internet access in your ashram indense jungle in India. Do all your disciples know Vedas and five fires? Where do they live? Do they live in dense jungle or do they live in towns or cities in India? When you are saying that living in dense jungle is required for reading of Vedas or worship of divine, then I believe that you also preach the same thing to your disciples also. Right? If so, then do they live in dense jungle, read Vedas, practice astanga yoga and five fires? Can you answer me please? Reading Vedas and practicing of astanga yoga is good. But it does not mean that they are essential for attaining salvation. Criteria for achieving salvation does not depend whether some one read Vedas or not.
Swami Ramswarup: Study of Vedas and practicing ashtang yoga is not only good but the best and supreme as said in four Vedas, six shastras, Brahmin Granth and Mahabhart. Our ancient Rishis Munis did not know about Geeta, Ramayana, and shastras etc., they knew only Vedas and ashtang yoga. After getting the knowledge they wrotethe said holy books afterwards. So the existence of said holy books are based on Vedas but Vedas are not based on these holy books. As is clear from Geeta shlok 3/15 and Manusmriti 2/6 also. And there is no its alternative. But these views are not shouldered toyou please. This is mere discussion. You and I am free to tell anything but the discussion will be having truth if is tallied with Vedas.

Ram Suri: Thus in Mundaka Up. 1.1.5, it is rightly said that the knowledge of Vedas comes under lower category (apara vidya).
Swami Ramswarup: In Mundak Upanishad 1/1/4 it is too said that PARA and APARA Vidya both are to be known and in Mundak Upanishad it has never been said anywhere, as you said, " that the knowledge of Vedas comes under lower category". Not this Upanishad but not any Upanishad or shastra or any ancient Brahmin Granthetc., can use the said insulting words against the God given knowledge of four Vedas (Yajurveda mantra 31/7, Atharvaveda mantra 4/1/1 and 10/7/20, Saamveda mantra 373 and Rigveda mandal 10 and even Geeta shlok 3/15 refers that Vedas are emanated direct from God.). But I already told that everybody is free to say anything please. So these views are not shouldered to you please.

Ram Suri: Similarly, Lord Krishna in Gita 11/53 says that divine realization cannot be achieved by reading Vedas etc. but can only be achieved by exclusive devotion for divine (11/54).
Swami Ramswarup: As regards Geeta shlok 11/53, 11/54 please send full meaning thereof to comment specially on word TATVENA PRAVESHTU and MAT KARAMKRIT MATPARMAHA In Mahabhart Vyas Muni says that Bhisham Pitamahateaches Yudhisthar that O! Yudhisthar ---1.if someone ignore and insult the Vedas then he can never realize God, he who follow the preach of Vedas and does pious deeds according to Vedas, he only attains God. (Shanti Parv 20/17)

O! Yudhisthar the two shapes of God must be understood,1. Shabad Brahm (knowledge of Vedas) 2. Par Brahm ( realization). And he who is a philosopher of Shabad Brahm ( Vedas) he only realizes God. ( Shanti Parv 53/20)

So the meaning of shlok of Mundak- Upanishad cited above is that PARA and APARA both Vidya must be attained. Then based on the APARA (Shabad Brahm), the God (PARA Vidya) is realized.

Ram Suri: See, Narad ji read all Vedas and other scriptures, but he did not get peace of mind (which is possible only by divine realization). Thus, Narad ji approached sri Sanat Kumar and got enlightened by him. For discussion between Sri Sana Kumar and Narad ji, please see Chh. Up. 7.1 onwards. Therefore, the conclusion is that Knowledge of Vedas is not required for divine realization, and one does not need to stay in densejungles for worship of divine please.
Swami Ramswarup: Could Narad ji go to Sanat Kumar with lack of knowledge of Vedas? When Sanat Kumar Rishi's were himself/themselves were philosopher of Vedas and ashtang yoga. Could Sanat Kumar accept him with the lack of knowledge of Vedas? Could they finish tradition? In Prashnopnisahd the Rishis went to Piplad Rishi, after studying four Vedas i.e., the question of APARA and PARA Vidya is solved.

Swamiji's previous reply: The meaning of "shradha = shrat+ dha iti shradha " shrat means truth i.e., Almighty and formless God and none else. Such like souls go to Devlok as I have already quoted the Yajurveda chapter 39.Then a manomaye Purush carries such souls to brahmlok. But the meaning of manomaye Purush is the utmost and unlimited realization of merriment (Brahmanand) and this stage makes sure for such souls to realize God. Such souls then remain in brahmlok i.e., attains moksh.
Ram Suri Present reply: Sir! What is this Brahma Lok? Who resides in this Brahma Lok? I clearly remember that in one of your previous emails, you have clearlysaid that no such lokas exist in space. You said that these lokas are nothing but our physical body. Now, you are expressing quite opposite view by saying that such souls will remain in Brahma Lok. Your understanding that physical body represents variouslokas is not acceptable as it is against to sruti teachings. Because, the soul, discussed above, was traveling or going from sun, agni etc, places after the death of the physical body. Right? Then, where is the question of physical body now? It is already dead, and thus, the soul goes to various regions. Right? It means the physical body does not represent Brahma Lok or any other lok. Right?
Swami Ramswarup: Several times I have told that salvation is attained while alive. And Yajurveda mantra 40/5 says the God is within body. Some learned person too say, JO BRAHMANDE SO HI PINDE.

Ram Suri: If you have said that physical body represents Brahma Lok due to some error, then it will be ok.
Swami Ramswarup: Not error but correct please.

Ram Suri: Because every one makes mistakes sometimes and thus I won't be very serious on your error. Now, can you please tell me what is the above Brahma Lok, and who resides there? How long the above souls remain in this Brahma Lok?
Swami Ramswarup: Quoted above and after leaving the body the period I have told previously quoting two mantras of Rigveda but all this is not shouldered to you whether accept or not, you are free. And I am also free to quote Ved mantras.

Swamiji's previous reply: they become like jyotiswarup. So such learned souls are themselves archi and amanav . Here learnes souls means the soul of a Yogi- Rishi or Muni who has attained Brahm and has got moksh such i.e., merriment of salvation.Amanav means he who is lack of proud and is humble.
Ram Suri present reply: You are saying above that the learned souls are archi and amanav, and this amanav is the one who is lack of proud and is humble. Basicallyyou are saying that the soul on devyan marg is nothing but amanav purush.
Swami Ramswarup: I have already explained about Devyan and Dakshinayan marg please see those references. so I am not denying DEVYAN AND Dakshinayan marg because I have already clarified to you. And due to shortage of time I cannot clarify again.

I have several times told that the human body is Braham lok where the God is realized. So manomaya Purush means the soul has got utmost merriment then realizes God while in body.

So please there must be solid rule on which the discussion can be carried forward. The first rule is that Vedas are eternal and the knowledge of Vedas is direct from God as said above in Ved mantra and Geeta shlok. In this connection Patanjali Rishi also says in sutra 1/26 that Almighty God is the first Guru of four Rishis of unsexual creation. If you can accept this truth (which can not be shouldered ) then discussion will be continued please.

Shashtras and origin of Vedas

Deepak Rana: I recently came to a person that there is no proof from shastras that Vedas were first realized by four rishis i.e. Agni Aditya Vayu and Angira. It is only Swami Dayananda who told like this but has no shastriya praman..and he gives all the pramans from shastras like upanishads, itihas etc. to prove that the Veda mantras were seen by different rishis, not by original four.. Please provide some shastriya praman with word to word translation. I shall be very grateful.
Swami Ramswarup: answers:

Sins committed in ignorance

Ignorance is itself a sin and result thereof is borne accordingly. If we study Vedas then we will find in 31 chapter of Yajurveda and mandal 10 of Rig Veda that God creates universe and simultaneously He originates the knowledge of four Vedas in the hearts of four Rishis of unsexual creation. Yog shastra sutra 1/26 clarifies that God is thus the first Guru of four Rishis and thereafter the Rishi Munis who knows Vedas and are Yogi like Vashisth Muni, Vyas Muni and Kapil Muni etc., have been our Gurus.

Definition of Om

OM has three Hindi words. Aa,Uu and Ma. Aa is meant for Aakaar from which three names of God are built, Viraat, Agni and Vishwadi. From Uu= uukaar from which Hirnyagarbh, Vaayu and tejas names occurs and Ma = makaar from which Ishwar, Aditya and Praajyan aadi, holy names of God occurs. Rig ved mantra 1/164/ 46 says the God is one but His names are several. But here only the said names are given. Viraat means he who creates the universe. Therefore His name is Viraat.

Difference between Buddhi, Mann and Aatma

To understand the answer of the question a deep study of Rig Ved mandal 10 sukta 129 is essential. But is short one should understand about alive and non-alive matters. There are three matters in the universe. Almighty God and souls are alive. And prakriti is non-alive. It is stated in the said Rig Veda mantra 1 that when the previous universe had been destroyed and new one did not create then there was nothing to see. God, souls and prakriti was there, but in unseen stage. The sun, moon, sky, air, water, life, bodies of human beings, animals or birds, i.e., whole universe, was not there.

Adwaitvad - questions and answers - June 24, 2004

Ram Suri previous reply: The 'Amanava purusha' described in Chandogya Upanishad 5.10.2 guides the soul to god ('maasebya samvatsaram ....vidyu tam tatpurusho amanavaha sa yena brahma gamayatyasha devayanah pandah iti'). The meaning of this is that the soul travels from months to the year, from year to sun, from sun to moon, and from moon to lightening. Then from the region of Brahman, a non-human person, created from mind (for creation from mind, please see Br. Up. 6.2.15 - tatpurusho manas yetya brahma lokaa.) comes and guides the soul to Brahma lok. Sir! I humbly request you to read this particular reference and reply me. So that we both can start our discussion from that point onwards. Also please see, Chh. Up. 4.15.5 for the same description. Also, I request you too look Br. Up 6.2.15 for the same description. I, once again request you to give very specific and clear replies. This will also help to all people.
Swami Ramswarup: Reply is given below please.

Previous Ans from Swamiji: In this connection I have mentioned the meaning of Archi above.
Ram Suri present reply: I am not asking the meaning of Archi please. I know its meaning. It gives me an impression that now you are trying to evade the discussion by not giving concrete answer to this question. I am sure that you did not look the references I quoted from Br. Up. and Ch. Up above. After reaching the moon, the soul goes to lightening. From here, the topic of amanav purush comes into the picture, as per Br. Up. 6.2.15 - tatpurusho manas yetya brahma lokaa). You can also find the same topic in Chh. Up. 5.10.2.
Swami Ramswarup: Your views are not acceptable please. You and I or anybody is free always to quote words or meaning or anything but it does not mean that I am forcing youbto accept an do not know the meaning. This archi word, I have explained again below. You may send unlimited questions this is your right and my right is to reply as per my views. So your above views are not understood please. Please make the atmosphere sweet and calm.

Ram Suri: Now, let us see the following: Who is this person referred in the above two quotes? He is the amanav purush. Right? Where was he said to have come from in the above references? He came from Brahma Lok. Right? (Please see Br. Up. 6.2.15 - tatpurusho manas yetya brahma lokaa). Please do not say that this Brahma Lok is nothing but the physical body like that. The physical body is already dead, and thus the soul is traveling on devyan marg, and taken to Brahma Lok. That means this Brahma Lok is not representing the physical body now. Right? Where will this amanav purush lead this soul to? He will lead this soul to Brahma Lok (Please see 'yena brahma gamayati'Chh. Up. 5.10.2). Right? Please do not skip this discussion by saying that this soul does not need any assistance or like that. I am not saying that this soul requires assistance. The above references from Br. Upanishad and Chh. Upanishads are saying that. Right? Also please do not say here that Vedas donot say this or do not say that or it is against to Vedas like that. You have said previously that you have studied only 11 Upanishads (IsH, KEN, KATH, PRASHAN, MUNDAK, MANDUKYA, ETRAIYA, TETRIYE, CHHANDOGYA, BRIHIDARNAYAK AND SWETASHWTAR), which are based on Vedas. If you do not believe this, please refer your answers, posted to me on March 11, 2004. In this posting, you have given this answer. Since, my above two quotes are from Chh. Up. and Bri. Up., now you cannot say that the above references are against Vedas. Now, my question for you is that who is this Brahman to whom the amanav purush has taken this soul to? Please answer to this question. From now on, this discussion will be much more interesting for all of us. Therefore, let us confine to this topic and please answer your response soon.
Swami Ramswarup: As I have quoted above now, you and I can not suppress anybody else to make control of use toexpress. Please don't force me saying about Vedas etc. I also can not force you to express anything. I will say whatever I want and you will say whatever you want and I have regard on your questions but I will not say you to have regard on my answer but would request you not to force me to tell this and that as told above. Hope please you will not mind. Because wehave to maintain love and brotherhood at all level otherwise discussion will be over. Please excuse me if I have hurt your heart. But my request is simple and must not hurt your heart. My blessings and namaste to you.

Brihadarnyak Upnishad says in second Brahmin Shwetketu son of an Acharya reached a king of Panchal country, king Pravahann put question to shwetketu if he knows that after death where the soul goes and how again comes to this lok and what is Pitriyaan and Devyaan marg. Based on vedic philosophy the king is teaching Acharya Gautam that the learned person whoknows Vedas and knos the science of five fires or the sanyasi who has left home and ha sgone to jungle in a lonely place to worship God with trust (shradha), they both attain first the stage of Archi. Here archi means "AHAN = AHANIK" i.e., the stage of merriment. But the worldly meaning of archi is light. So first to be a learned of Vedas and knower of five fires or a sanyasi who lives in a dense jungle and does worship with trust, is necessary. The meaning of "shradha = shrat+dha iti shradha " shrat means truth i.e., Almighty and formless God and none else. Such like souls go to Devlok as I have already quoted the Yajurveda chapter 39.Then a manomaye Purush carries such souls to brahmlok. But the meaning of manomaye Purush is the utmost and unlimited realization of merriment (Brahmanand) and this stage makes sure for such souls to realize God. Such souls then remain in brahmlok i.e., attains moksh.

In Chhandogya Upnishad 5/10/2 all has been said according to the 39th chapter of Yajurveda which I have already explained before. Then the upnishad say that the soul of leartned is having the result of unlimited auspicious/pious deeds andstating the world TAT PURUSHAHA AMANAVAH here the amanav means, based on the unlimited rtesult of pious deeds, such souls attain Brahm i.e., immersed in Braham and this is called Devyaan marg; that the soul has attained the God/immersed in Anand, gyan and Jyotiswarup Brahm. But the soul has not become Brahm. This happens like a swimmer who dives in the water infull for sometime and then again comes out. Chhandogya Upnishad 5/10/1,2 says, "ARCHISM ABHI SAMBHAVNTI" i.e., such souls divert towards Archism i.e., jyoti (light) i.e., they become like jyotiswarup. So such learned souls are themselves archi and amanav. Here learnes souls means the soul of a Yogi- Rishi or Muni who has attained Brahm and has got moksh such i.e.,merriment of salvation. Amanav means he who is lack of proud and is humble. In this connection Sankhya shastra sutra 3/78 to 82 which I have quoted before also states that the learned soul while living in body become jeevanmukt. Because if he is not alive then who will give the real knowledge to the aspirants. Otherwise sutra 3/81 says that there will be a tradition of blind faith.

Chhandogya Upnishad 4/15/5 says such learned soul who has attained salvation, when dies then whether his cremation wherte the dead body met with fire are performed or not is immaterial because his soul has attained salvation or eternal jyoti. Thereason is that when his body is burnt then his body is put into fire and such cremation is not done then yet the soul of learned has already attain salvation and jyoti (light). Because funeral is meant for body and not for soul. First his soul becomes archi i.e., ray of light then the light increases like day light then light increases land becomes like a light of Puranmasi (jyoti), it increases further light becomes of six months then years and then becomes like Aditya i.e.,the soul's light seems to be light equivalent to Aditya (sun). Then from Aditya jyoti to chandra jyoti and chandra jyoti to vidyut jyoti and this process the soul of manav itself becomes a manav. Now please send your comments.

I have given this reply based on Vedas and upnishads comments by Vidya Martand Dr. Satyavrat Sidhantalankaar Ex. M.P. and vice chancellor, Gurkul Kangri University. If you can study, please study these Upnishads, if not then it is okay because it is not compulsion. The eternal knowledge are four Vedas and 11 upnishads quoted by you above also have been written by those Rishis and even Bhagwat Geeta, who were the philosopher of four Vedas and ashtang yog philosopjhy. And those Rishis have mentioned in the upnisahd and six shastras and Geeta that they first gained knowledge from Vedas and practiced ashtang yog then they wrote the said holy books. So it is my opinion and not compulsion that before studying the said holy books the study of Vedas and practice of ashtang yog is a compulsion to know the real meaning of the words of the said holy books. It is my opinion and cannot not be forced on anybody please. Yog shastra sutra 1/7 clearly asks the proof of Ved mantra on anybody's views to justify the truth. Now I have totally finished the matter of archi and amanav from my side only please.

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