Shashtras and origin of Vedas

Deepak Rana: I recently came to a person that there is no proof from shastras that Vedas were first realized by four rishis i.e. Agni Aditya Vayu and Angira. It is only Swami Dayananda who told like this but has no shastriya praman..and he gives all the pramans from shastras like upanishads, itihas etc. to prove that the Veda mantras were seen by different rishis, not by original four.. Please provide some shastriya praman with word to word translation. I shall be very grateful.
Swami Ramswarup: answers:
Everybody is free to tell anything. And it is not bad because through this a path is held to discuss the truth. Ancient Rishis always used to talk based on Vedas only. Yajurveda mantra 31/11 says that he who knows Vedas he is the best amongst universe like a mouth in a body. And he is called Brahman according to his deeds and not by birth. Mantra 31/7 says "TASMAT YAJAT SARVHUT RICHAH SAMANI JAJIRE CHHANDASI JAJIRE TASMAT YAJUSTASMADAJAYAT"
Meaning---- Tasmat= from Almighy God, Yajat=adorable, Sarvhutah= to whom everything is surrendered i.e., He is God. From this God Richah = Rig veda, Samamni= Saamveda, Jajire= are emanated. Tasmat= from the God, Chhandasi= Atharvaveda, Jajire= are emanated. Tasmat= from the God Yajuhu= Yajurveda, Ajayat=emanated. So we have to worship the God from whom Vedas are emanated.

Rig Veda mantra 10/181/1 says, " PRATHASCH YASYA SAPRATHASCH NAAMANUSHTUBHASYA HAVISHO HAVIRYAT.DHATURDUTANATSAVITUSCH VISHNO RATHANTARMA JABHARAVASISHTHAHA"
Meaning--- Anushtubhasya Yasya= anushtup ved vak i.e., Vedas' master Almighty God. So God's Yasya Havisha= Vedas and Vedas' Havihi special knowledge. Prathah sa prathah ch= disciple and Guru, Vasishtha= having the deepest knowledge of vedas called Brahma, Dhatuhu= i.e., from mantradrishta Agni, Dutanat= Vaayu Rishi, Savituhu= Aditya Rishi, Vishnoho= and Angira Rishi, Rathntaram Jabhara= the Brahma studied theVedas.

Here Brahma means a man who took birth from parents, he studied Vedas from the said four Rishis. Similarly in Atharvaveda mantra 4/1/1 and 10/23/4/20 says that the Vedas are emanated from God. Yoga shastra sutra 1/7 wants proof of the truth. Vedas are self-proof because in 31 chapter of Yajurveda and mandal 10 of Rigveda it has been clarified that the knowledge of Vedas is given at the beginning of creation in unsexual creation. Shastra, Upnishad, Geeta and Ramayan have been written by Rishi Munis within five to six thousand years whereas Vedas are eternal and in this creation Vedas originated in theheart of four Rishis cited above about one arab 96 crore 8 lakh 53 thousands years ago.

Now the fundamental is this that until the knowledge is given by anybody, knowledge cannot be gained. So who was the first Guru at the beginning of the earth when unsexual creation was there. Yoga shastra sutra 1/26 says, " SA ESHAH POORVESHAM API GURUHU KALENANVACHEDAT"

In this sutra Rishi Patanjali says Sa Eshah= He i.e., God(because this sutra is connected with previous one), Poorvesham api Guruhu = is Guru of the four ancient Rishis because God is away from Kalean i.e., death. It means in the said creation there was no any Guru alive. So the God gave the knowledge of Vedas to the said four Rishis. After lapse of more than one arab 96 crore and 8 lakhs years i.e., upto Mahabharta period there were no shahstras, upnishads etc., and same were written by Rishis based on the knowledge of Four Vedas and this fact has clearly been mentioned by the Rishis in their shastras and upnishads and Geeta etc. Geeta shlok 3/15 refers.

And nobody asked any proof about the origin of Vedas because they (king and public) used to study only Vedas with whole hearted and faith being the knowledge direct from God. This knowledge is still originated in the heart of present Rishis like Vyas Muni, Atri Rishi etc., but nowadays people are against the Vedas due to false statements of several present Gurus. So first proof is considered from Vedas only and thereafter six shastras, upnishads, Geeta etc., the holy books written by mantradrishta Rishis based on the knowledge of Vedas. If Vedas would have been not there then no knowledge of shastra etc., could be written.

Shri Guruvani too says, " VED ONKAAR NIRMAY" i..e, Vedas' knowledge are direct from God. Four Vedas have been made by God. No one can evaluate their importance.They are inestimable and eternal. (Mahalla 1 shabad 17).

And in Saamveda mantras it has been clarified the knowledge of four Vedas is from Almighty God. I have mentioned some other references also in my Yoga lectures placed on the web site and request to see please.

Now come on shastra please. Sankhya shastra 5/46 says, " APAURUSHYA"i.e., Vedas are apaurushya i.e., no man has written the Vedas, it is of God. Manusmriti shlok 1/23, "AGNIVAAYURAVIBHAYSTU TRYAM BRAHM SANATANAM DUDOH YAJSIDHYARTHAMRIGYAJUHU SAAMLAKSHNAM"
Meaning--- Yajsidhartham= the God for Yajna and to spread knowledge of all matters etc., gave the Vedas' knowledge Agni-Vaayu-Ravibhya and from these Rishis the Brahma studied Rig, Yaju, Saam vedas, dudohah= just like milking of cow, so here three names are mentioned because of gyan ,karma and upasana, the three Vidya but the fourth Veda Atharvaveda originated in Angira Rishi is automatically held. But the Rigveda mantra cited above already says about four Rishis and then no need of shastra, upnishad etc., Vedas being self proof.

There is only one God who creates universe, nurses and destroy and again creates. Yajurveda mantra 31/7 and several other Ved mantras say that God has preached His worship in Vedas. But now a days most of the worship are against Vedas as also said by Tulsi in his Ramayan couplet 99(b). In the ancient times upto Mahahbharta period too there were only Vedas to adopt and worship in the form of pray, Yajna and ashtangyoga etc., was being practiced. The ancient Rishis Munis used to give Vedas knowledge only. They lived in Gurukul in a very simple life holding unlimited knowledge of Vedas and yoga philosophy and by their Tapsya they used to give equal blessings to the world.These Rishis Munis used to sit on one platform with wholehearted happiness.

For example in Valmiki Ramayan when Rishi Vishwamitr went to king Dashrath totake Shri Ram to kill the demons to protect his holy Yajna. Then Dashrath immediately refused but Dashretath's Guru Vashisth Muni interrupted, explained and gave order to king Dashrath to give Shri Ram to Rishi Vishwamitr. I am not giving the detailed storyhere. So what was the reason behind? The reason behind was only this that Rishi Vishwamitr as well as Guru Vashisth both were philosopher of Vedas, Yajna and Yoga philosophy. So there was no any friction within their hearts.

A mother and father both (have) without any friction love their newly born baby. So when all Rishis loved only one Almighty God, from whom Vedas are originated and again the Rishis loved Vedas so no question of friction. The Rishis used to bless every people and even kings with the result everybody was happy at that time and everybody was rich with the blessings. Now it is reverse. The so-called Gurus arerich and most of the people are poor.

In Hinduism too there are so many Devtas and thus the different types of worship. Now whatever one Guru says the another one criticizes because ways are different and in reality the religion has been made profession by most of the so called Gurus at present. When target is not true and good then how the above story of donating Shri Ram can be repeated and how all Gurus can sit on one platform? When the target is profession and not services of people through Vedas then it is impossible that so called Gurus can sit on one platform. The so-called Gurus can say at their own that their target is one but on ground it seems not to be a true. Every so called Guru have made their own severalashrams to command etc.

God has made universe and bless us human body to do pious deeds only. He has not made any heaven or hell. All have to face the result of their deeds good or bad here only even by taking rebirth. God has not only made universe but has also given knowledge of four Vedas where your answer to question and everyone's answer to question have been given.

God has made universe and bless us human body to do pious deeds only. He has not made any heaven or hell. All have to face the result of their deeds good or bad here only even by taking rebirth. God has not only made universe but has also given knowledge of four Vedas where your answer to question and everyone's answer to question have been given.

There are four Vedas, 1. Rig Veda gives knowledge of science, matter of the universe like sun, moon, air body etc., etc.,

2. Yajurveda gives knowledge of all the deeds and duties to be performed by men or women, students, leaders, king, agriculturist etc., etc., etc.,

3. Saamveda gives knowledge how to worship God who gives peace and long happy life etc. In this way, details of Yoga philosophy, qualities, Supreme deeds and nature of the God is also given.

4. Atharvaveda gives details of God, medical science and details of medicine etc., are given.

Actually in four Vedas there is unlimited knowledge. In his holy book Shatpath Brahmin Granth Muni Yaskacharya has quoted that there was a Kashyap Rishi who studied Vedas deeply. In Vedas there is a rule that a man or woman can only extend their life up to 400 years and not more. In this connection Yajurveda mantra 3/62 refers. So when Kashyap Rishi became of hundred years he prayed God that he is busy in study of Vedas therefore his age may be extended up to two hundred years. But reaching on two hundred years he again requested to extend further hundred years because the Rishi had been experiencingunlimited peace and merriment while studying Vedas and going the deepest in every mantra. And O! when he reached at the age of three hundred years he prayed God that he (Rishi) is leaving Body. Because the knowledge of the Vedas are eternal and unlimited.

So such true examples of several ancient Rishis are there in our ancient holy books about immortal Vedas, which have been now overlooked due to false talks of arrogants of nowadays who have made business of religion. So swamis are those who are not against eternal philosophy of Vedas and yoga given by God. And the swamis who are true spoken based on Vedas does yoga practice have control, their five senses and mind, always do pious deeds according to Vedas about well being of human beings etc. And these types of swamis never predict about any life. But gives direct knowledge of four Vedas and yoga saying that pious deeds services to parents and old, daily worship, hard working towards a right path, listening of Vedas' preach and discharging moral duties faithfully towards family and nation etc., make future bright and luck is in our own hands.

According to eternal knowledge of Vedas, the definition of a true Guru is not such which is being spread by the false saints who are against the Vedas and yoga philosophy. One thing is clear that this universe have been created by God, He nurses and destroy and again creates. So the rules and regulation will have to be accepted of God preach in Vedas and not of man or woman. I think on this basis only Tulsidass ji has also stated in Doha 99 (b) of Uttrakand that in kaliyug man and woman are not worshipping God in accordance with the Vedas' true path but arrogants have made the path at their own accord i.e., self made. And hence the problem because such type of reason has become profession too and no Guru or whatsoever would like to sit on one platform because against the Vedas such Gurus are saying and establishing falsely that they are serving the people but actually they are serving their family and themselves.

When I was doing practice of hard ashtang Yoga in a densy cave with my Guruji then an incident occurred. By some reason I was asked by My Guruji to go to a Baba in the jungle to give him Bhiksha. When first day I went there the young baba met me with gun. I put question to the baba with respect that why he is having gun being a sanyasi. He answered that there are five or six guava trees on which some monkeys come. So this gun is meant for establishing fear and to get away the monkeys. I returned and told the story to my respected Guruji. My Guruji answered that whole of the day the baba guards the trees and when thus he would have been sitting for meditation or remembering the holy name of God then it is sure then in his meditation the picture of monkeys would have been coming. I have quoted this fact in full (here not in full) to my spiritual books stating that this is a matter of some guava trees which disturbs the concentration then what to talk about those who have so many ashrams duly built all over the country even outside also?

The spiritualism now a days have been a business and there is no matter of God or services to the public remains left. Nowadays there is flood of Gurus who are against the Vedas and this is a dangerous to the mankind, nation and world. This is clearly seen that the house has been burnt with its own burning lamp. There is no any excuse from the God about any sin in the Vedas whereas self-made path says like this.

However the yagya with Ved mantras purify the mind and practice of yoga philosophy burns all the previous sins. And this only possible when an aspirant while in family life listens Vedas like Shri Ram, Mata Sita and previous ancient public, does Yagya, learns yoga philosophy and practice thereof under the guidance of a Guru who knows Vedas and yoga philosophy. This is method of eternal prayer. One should pray God with a request that he must be attached with the eternal worship of God preached in Vedas to get the purest mind. Because the purest mind can only do the pious deeds and eternal worship. This prayer is according to Yajurveda mantra 32/14 and Gaytri mantra. One canrecite these two mantras also. But to our bad luck that present Gurus who are against Vedas say that they are true Gurus and everybody must accept them because Shri Ram and Shri Krishna also did accept Guru. But the ignorant people are not capable to understand this poisonous and false talk due to lack of knowledge of Vedas and Valmiki Ramayan. Because Shri Ram, Shri Krishna, king Dashrath, Harischanra and several suchdignitaries and their public of ancient time did accept the Rishis, Munis who knew Vedas an did hard practice of ashtang yoga. For example Shri Ram's Guru was Vashisth Muni and Munis are those who have studied and consulted Vedas in deep and did yoga practice and so was the great Muni Vashisth. Shri Krishna's Guru was Rishi Sandeepan.

Rishis in Vedas is he who is mantrdrishta i.e., after studying and hard practice of ashtang yoga he has realized God and has seen the Ved mantras in his heart and not in books. Both Rishis and munis/yogis always preach based on Vedas. So public as well as the Govt. must know about the eternal philosophy of Vedas and must ban the present saints or sadhus who are against the Vedas, spread false stories and cheat the public. These saints must not encash the name of pious Guru Vashisth and Sandeepan and others by saying that Shri Krishna and Shri Ram did Guru so everybody must accept these so called Gurus. Why don't they say truth that they are illiterate being away from the Vedas and Guru Vashisth and Rishi Sandeepan and other ancient Rishis were literate having knowledge of four Vedas and yoga philosophy. And there is no other comparison between those ancient Rishis, Munis/Yogis and present so called Gurus.

And ancient Rishis or present Rishis always talk first about Vedas and Swami Dayanand also did the same. As I have told above when shastras were not there who used to ask about shastras, upnishads, Geeta etc., but now when the said holy books written by mantradrishta Rishi based on Vedas only are respectfully acceptable. But Vedas are first always being eternal knowledge direct from God.